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Replies:Andrej:
Would you please explain to me why it's at all useful for a
cryptosystem to be directly linked to certain conjectures in
complexity theory? If they're merely conjectures, then what
use are they in providing any increased certainty about the
difficulty of cracking a cipher? I mean, you could argue
the following:
"The above-mentioned conjectures are widely known and much
work is being done by experts in the field in either proving
or disproving them. The fact that they haven't been
disproved yet by our greatest mathematical minds is an
indication that they are probably true. Therefore, any
cryptographic system based on them would have a
corresponding probability of being secure."
However, this argument is fallacious because the fact that
the conjectures haven't been proved (or disproved) yet
should not be taken as an indication that they are true.
The most it tells us is that they are difficult to prove (or
disprove). And, obviously, it's invalid to conclude any
level of safety for traditional cryptosystems simply because
they're linked to certain lower bound conjectures in
complexity theory which happen to be difficult to prove.
I mean, even if a conjecture "seems" to be good because
nobody has disproved it yet, without an actual proof it's
only good for
1) illuminating certain interesting issues in its
branch of mathematics
2) inspiring other theorems and mathematical work
What idiot would build a mathmatical system on top of a
conjecture which could be disproved later, and thereby
invalidate the entire mathematical system? And, in a
related question, what are the moral issues involved in RSA
et al building a security system that the internet (and
hence, the world) is growing to rely upon, which could be
completely invalidated by some punk mathematician who
figures out how to circumvent or invalidate some
conjectures? Hello? We're talking Y2K on a much greater
scale, I believe.
[ simulated persona = "The Cube", node #103, max search depth 46%, neural variance 21.593 ]
He had a dead person on his committee. Of course, not initially.
[ simulated persona = "Barbie", node #110, max search depth 50%, neural variance 27.045 ]
Math is hard.
I see your point. However, in practice, this kind of thing happens all the time and is ultimately unavoidable.
[ simulated persona = "Milkman Dan", node #125, max search depth 30%, neural variance 20.420 ]
For example, you go to sleep every night making the conjecture that I have not stripped myself naked, painted my body with pig blood and stinking mud, inserted ball bearings in decorative rows under the skin of my face, worked myself into a psychotic frenzy by drinking a case of Josta!, and snuck into your bedroom holding a bone knife to your throat and whispering DIE DIE DIE into your ear until the spirits tell me to pierce your jugular.
[ simulated persona = "Milkman Dan", node #129, max search depth 16%, neural variance 16.854 ]
That particular conjecture will eventually prove false (as soon as I can convince the slackers at Piggly Wiggly to start stocking Josta!), and yet you make it every day.
[ simulated persona = "Dr. Andrej Bauer", node #183, max search depth 22%, neural variance 20.028 ]
An intelligent idiot would, obviously, since the way one usually goes about establishing or disproving a conjecture is to make connections with other known problems and results. The larger the body of mathematics linked to a conjecture grows, the more lines of attack on the problem are available, so in the case of a lower bound conjecture, the more robust the conjecture will be against attack.
